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Last evening in New York, I joined a strong panel organized by the UN's Alliance of Civilizations at the New York Times to discuss U.S. relations with the Muslim world.   The room was packed to hear Roger Cohen, Joe Klein, Martin Indyk, Reza Aslan, Dalia Mogahed and I talk about a variety of issues.   A surprising amount of the discussion ended up focusing on Israel, which perhaps shouldn't be that surprising, with some real sparks between Aslan and Indyk in particular over the possibility of a two state solution.  While I took part in a variety of conversations about Israel, Iran, democracy, and Obama's foreign policy more generally, my main concern was the dangerous resilience of "clash of civilizations" narratives in American and global discourse about Islam.  For all of Obama's efforts to change that narrative, to move away from a war on terror and focus on partnerships and respect, recent trends only confirm how deeply ingrained the older confrontational narratives really are.  Why? What can be done?

The power of these post 9/11  confrontational narratives about Islam has been on full display  of late.   What I like to call stupidstorms break out with alarming regularity, driven by right wing media:  the frenzy around anodyne comments by the NASA director about engaging Muslims, the firing of Octavia Nasr over her Hezbollah tweet, the especially nasty clashes over the Ground Zero mosque complex.   The sheer amount of disinformation, vitriol, and agitation against Muslims and Islam in pockets of the right wing media (new and old) beggars belief.  Part of the blame also lies with right wing politicians, who cynically (or, more frightening, sincerely) exploit the anti-Islam tropes to drum up votes and to grab attention.   And part of the blame lies in the reality of the persistence and terrorist attacks of al-Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers. , and the polarizing effects of the escalating arguments over Israel, Gaza, and Iran.   It isn't just the right wing echo chamber, though --- the frenzies over the Captain Underpants failed bomber and the Times Square failed bomber show a mainstream media still hardwired to fall back into the comfortable tropes of the war on terror.  

 

The progressive side bears some of the blame as well, though. The resilence of the clash of civilizations frame is enabled by the inability of advocates of a new approach, including the Obama administration and many progressive foreign policy thinkers, to develop and defend a powerful alternative frame.  The best argument, and certainly one which I've made often, is that the U.S. has a vital national security interest in preventing a spiral towards a "clash of civilizations" which would strengthen al-Qaeda's appeal and narrative.  That's right --- but it's also a negative message, about what should not happen, rather than a positive one about Islam or about America's relationship with Muslims around the world.  The Obama administration, particularly the people involved in following up on the Cairo speech, has been trying to build such a positive alternative in many creative ways.  But their efforts thus far have been largely under the radar, and when they do impact on the American public debate it is usually as fodder for a stupidstorm (the NASA director, grumbling about why we are focusing on Muslim entrepreneurs).

It's sobering that years of efforts to promote better understanding of Islam and to build a stronger, healthier discourse around Islam have done so little to dull the blade of the "clash of civilizations" line.   The best hope for doing so would be to depoliticize the issue, to remove it as a partisan wedge, but given current trends it seems highly unlikely that right wing politicians or media will stop fueling those flames any time soon.   Censorship is also not the answer, even if it were possible in today's polarized and fragmented media sphere. Paul Berman's recent complaint in the Wall Street Journal about what he's not allowed to say about Islam, about which I'll have more to say when our exchange in the next Foreign Affairs comes out, misses the point:  it isn't that he "can't" say such things, it's that we should get our facts right, and think about the real world effects of our arguments.   Perhaps the answer is that progressives and those hoping to prevent a return of the clash of civilizations must move beyond the still vitally important negative argument about the security imperative to prevent such a clash and offer a more positive, constructive alternative frame (as a recent National Security Network conference began to do). For instance, a stronger case could be made about the unique American embrace of a strong presence for religion in public life -- not just a generic tolerance of diversity but as a positive good which can cross traditional partisan lines. I can't claim to have the answers... just a lot of questions and concerns about the dangerous resilience of the 9/11 discourse about Islam in the United States. 

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BRETT

5:43 PM ET

July 22, 2010

It's sobering that years of

It's sobering that years of efforts to promote better understanding of Islam and to build a stronger, healthier discourse around Islam have done so little to dull the blade of the "clash of civilizations" line.

It's partially a testament to the sheer volume of ignorance out there.

Unfortunately, most of it is because the "clash of civilizations" narrative just strokes so many American buttons. It pleases the conservative evangelical crowd, with their apocalyptic fantasies and dualistic religion. It pleases the 'paranoid, ex-anticommunism crowd, always on the search for an enemy to define themselves against. It pleases many Americans who see America as the font of goodness and a force for democracy, since it means that it's not our actions but who we are that's driving the hate.

 

IBRAHEEM

2:14 AM ET

July 23, 2010

Islam, the buzzword nowadays! Whats the real deal?

Muslims are being targeted everywhere in the world. For the purpose of introducing true Islam to Non-Muslims and providing a great educational resource for Muslims, i have made a blog. Its called: http://quranicperspective.blogspot.com
Do visit it. You’ll find all ur questions about Islam, Quran, Muslims, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), women, war and many other topics answered on my blog. Plus lots of helpful links to other useful websites on the internet.
May Peace be upon all the people of the world! :) Peace within and peace without.

 

DEPETRIS@WORDPRESS.COM

1:12 AM ET

July 24, 2010

Americans don't understand Islam

This whole issue points directly to a lack of understanding Islam as both a religion and a political force. The politicians who use the label "war on terrorism" are doing so because they don't have the slightest knowledge about how the Islamic world operates. They try to put forth a narrative depicting all Muslims as a hegemonic group with the same beliefs about what it acceptable behavior (which is a terribly simplistic way of looking upon the Muslim world).

I'm sure that some are publicizing this view to score political points- as Dr. Lynch mentions in his post- which is both tragic and desperate if you think about it. But I wonder how many are supporting the "clash of civilizations" argument because they are completely stupefied about Middle Eastern culture, with all of its religious and ethnic schisms and all of its intra-state rivalry. This isn't such a bad proposition; the "war on terror" label gives people in the west a crutch in the debate. It also provides them with the straightforward answer they are looking for.

The United States has been quick in the past to surrender itself to a black-and-white "us vs. them" mentality. It paints a clear picture and helps us convince ourselves that we are on the right side of history. Terms and phrases like "good vs. evil" gives us a sense of comfort when we face a strong or multifaceted adversary. The struggle with Islam is just the latest chapter in how the west perceives global challenges.

Regrettably, this narrative is a disaster for the challenges that the west faces today. Islam is not a hegemonic entity. It's a religion that is divided amongst itself (Sufi vs. Salafi, Salafi vs. Wahhabi, Sunni vs. Shia vs. Kurd, pragmatic vs. traditional, etc). The quicker our leaders displace the old narrative, the better off the debate will be, and the more intellectual people will become.

http://www.depetris.wordpress.com

 

MOONSHINE

9:39 PM ET

July 24, 2010

Islam

America doesn't realize the dangers Islam presents.
Coming from the a muslim country, Islam insidiously controls and spreads like a disease, trying to wipe out all who are not in favour of its propaganda and laws.
Why is it that Hindus, Buddhists, Taiosts or Bahais or other religious minnorites do not impose their faith on other people. I think faith should be practised privately and if they do not approve of majority rule , they can go back to any muslim country to practisely their religion without compromising their beliefs. Why move to a democrative country at all? That's because these muslims who have moved out of the islamic country know the West offers them opportunites that any muslim country cannot due to their backward teachings and practices. Biting the hand that feeds them?

 

SCOTCHSKY

2:58 PM ET

August 11, 2010

Fundamentally incompatible perspectives about Church and State

Moonshine,
You make some salient points about the fundamental difficulty that Western liberal democracies will face in forming true, trustworthy relationships with Islamist states. Though we can and should find common ground in the promotion of peace and prosperity where possible, we will continue to face intractable incompatibilities in basic beliefs about human rights, religious freedom, suffrage, and other issues with states controlled from the mosque. Certainly, Christians have their radicals, but our secular political system generally tends to push them to the fringe. Not so with the religiously controlled Muslim states. Although pragmatic and moderate Muslim leaders have certainly overcome the more radical aspects of Islam, the religious-political foundations and infrastructure tend to discourage, not support, this type of leadership. Until Islam embraces the notion of the secular state (incompatible with the teachings of the Koran), the Clash of Civilizations is an institutional reality and Muslim states will unfortunately continue to drift backwards away from prosperity and peace (unless they happen to be floating on a sea of oil...the GREAT BLACK DIPLOMAT).

 

ANTIMKO

11:29 PM ET

July 24, 2010

Paul Berman's of the world is exactly what Israel needs

The Israeli right wing government need people like him to prolong the clash of civilization in order to stall peace process and expand settlements. After all, if they can convince west that islam is about to get them, they can use it to justify anything and everything in the westbank and gaza under the guise of fighting islamic terror in a partnership between good (israel and west) vs evil (arabs/islam).

 

ANDREWP111

9:07 PM ET

August 7, 2010

Here is why it won't go away

The main problem is that too many Muslims believe the clash of civillizations narrative themselves. Perhaps only a small fraction are willing to die for it, but the majority accept this as the narrative, and have more or less accepted it for 1400 years. The very structure of Islamic law is optimized around expansion, domination, and conquest. In every country and region where both Muslims and non-muslims coexist, this violent clash is present to some extent, and the clash is often very bloody. If our enemies see a conflict as an existential clash of civillizations, then we are fools not to reciprocate.

And the fact that Muslims are the only major group in the world that has a large net reproduction only adds to the conflict, since their numbers are increasing faster than everyone else's.

 

Marc Lynch is associate professor of political science and international affairs at George Washington University.

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