Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 2:24 PM

Mustafa Abdul Jalil, leader of Libya's interim National Transitional Council, declared the end of the war and the liberation of Libya on Sunday following the controversial death of Moammar Qaddafi. Judging by the tenor of discussion in the United States, you would think that this was an unmitigated disaster -- a humiliating end to an illegal war which prevented the UN from acting in Syria, massacred civilians, and opened the door to state failure, warlord violence, reprisals, and radical Islamist tyranny. (Though at least we can be relieved that the rebels can now get their mack on.) That's quite a catalog of failure dominating the public discourse at a time when the official war has come to an end, and most Libyans are celebrating Qaddafi's demise and planning a democratic transition towards a post-Qaddafi future. In fact, the intervention in Libya has been broadly successful and has helped to give Libyans the opportunity to build the country which they so deeply deserve.
There's every reason to be cautious about Libya's future, of course. There will be massive challenges facing the emerging new country, from independent militias to tribal and regional conflicts to the legacy of decades of the systematic destruction of independent civil society. But nobody denies that. Despite what Google tells me is 64,300,000 articles warning that "now comes the hard part in Libya," this is a straw man. I have heard almost nobody arguing the opposite -- certainly not the White House, which consistently has warned that "We’re under no illusions -- Libya will travel a long and winding road to full democracy. There will be difficult days ahead."
But for all those concerns, the intervention in Libya should be recognized as a success and real accomplishment for the international community. The NATO intervention did save Libya's protestors from a near-certain bloodbath in Benghazi. It did help Libyans free themselves from what was an extremely nasty, violent, and repressive regime. It did not lead to the widely predicted quagmire, the partition of Libya, the collapse of the NTC, or massive regional conflagration. It was fought under a real, if contestable, international legal mandate which enjoyed widespread Arab support. It did help to build -- however imperfectly and selectively -- an emerging international norm rejecting impunity for regimes which massacre their people. Libya's success did inspire Arab democracy protestors across the region. And it did not result in an unpopular, long-term American military occupation which it would have never seemed prudent to withdraw.
I want to just briefly touch here on a few of the most contentious issues in the current Libya debate. I'm not particularly surprised or upset by how Qaddafi died. The man did horrible things to Libyans for decades, unleashed a brutal war against his own people earlier this year, and after the fall of Tripoli was actively planning an insurgency. Having him handed over to Libyan courts or to the ICC would have been nice, but I just don't think that his murder tells us very much at all about whether or not the future Libya will be governed by the rule of law. Nor, by the way, do I think that Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, or Sarkozy had him whacked to prevent him from spilling their secrets in court. That's silly.
Nor am I particularly worried by Abdul Jalil's comments about Sharia in his victory speech on Sunday. Those remarks shocked the West, and upset liberal Arab supporters of the Libyan revolution. But the idea that Abdul Jalil had with one speech established "the Islamic Republic of Libya" or delivered the new Libya into the hands of Islamic extremists is highly exaggerated. Neither Abdul Jalil nor the NTC as a whole is in any position to dictate Libya's constitutional future. Indeed, the greater problem facing Libya is the weakness of central institutions and the urgent need to establish broad political legitimacy, state control over the multitude of armed groups, and reconciliation across the many societal and political divides. I take his Sharia comments as a bid to bring together the Islamist fighters with other political trends. There is a long, hotly contested political transition to come. Abdul Jalil's comments are only one of the opening bids, not the final word.
I also do not agree that NATO's loose interpretation of its mandate in Libya doomed the prospects for a UN intervention in Syria. For that to be true, there would have needed to be some plausible prospect of an intervention in Syria to have been thwarted. There wasn't. At best, the Libya precedent has offered an excuse for Russia and China to oppose UN action, but it wasn't the cause. There's no question that many people at the UN and the international community were distressed by how NATO stretched its legal mandate during the course of the war. But the truth is, there has never been an appetite at the UN -- or in Washington -- for a military intervention in Syria, regardless of the Libyan example.
The outrage over Bashar al-Asad's violent onslaught against his opponents is real, and a growing regional and international consensus condemns his regime. Some Syrian opposition figures are changing their minds about refusing international intervention. But the obstacles to any such intervention remain overwhelming. The Syrian opposition controls no territory, can not confidently claim the support of a majority of the Syrian population, and until recently has refused to call for international intervention. Syria's terrain, alliances and location make for a radically different strategic environment than Libya's, and everyone recognizes that a No-Fly Zone in the Syrian case would immediately mean a larger-scale military intervention which nobody wants. The difficulties posed by Syria's bloodbath are real, then, and the policy choices excruciating. But Libya's not the reason.
More broadly, I disagree with the many varieties of argument condemning the Libyan intervention as hypocritical or as actually undermining the norms against impunity. It's obviously true that the US, UN and international community have not applied the same response to a variety of other countries that they did to Libya. But the inability to prevent all atrocities is not a reason to avoid preventing one when the opportunity presents itself. Without the Libyan precedent the possibility of an intervention in Syria would not have even been considered. The development of a norm against impunity for violence against civilians won't be accomplished overnight or automatically be applied universally. But I believe that the Libyan intervention did prevent an imminent atrocity and could be one important step in building that norm.
What about demonstration and diffusion effects? Here, the record is admittedly mixed. It's very clear that protest movements around the Arab world did follow the Libyan case closely, taking inspiration at key moments such as the beginning of the NATO campaign and the fall of Tripoli. We have quite a lot of evidence of Yemeni or Syrian protestors ramping up their efforts at such moments, just as we saw such demonstration effects powerfully mattering across the entire region after the fall of Ben Ali and Mubarak. It would be unreasonable to demand that such movements win, or their regimes fall, for the demonstration effects to be judged real --- too many other factors are in play in each case. The attention to Libya across the region and the explicit invocation of Libyan events by protestors strikes me as sufficient evidence. This is precisely why the U.S. has been forced to take such pains to publicly warn Syrian protestors not to expect a comparable intervention. At the same time, the fact that the war dragged on for so long did drain some of the momentum that the intervention might otherwise have produced, and there has been a small but significant backlash among some on the Arab left against the role of NATO, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
As for regimes, it's probably true that some have taken Qaddafi's demise as reason to dig in their heels. I can certainly imagine Bashar al-Asad or Ali Abdullah Saleh reading the lessons of Libya as "don't lose." But once again, I've seen very little evidence that either leader would have behaved more gently towards his people or surrendered power more easily had Qaddafi's fate been otherwise. They did not need Libya to want to cling to power. The real test for the demonstration effect on other dictators will come now -- not choices by leaders already deeply implicated in violent struggles against their people, with little left to lose, but future leaders facing a choice as to whether to resort to violence. This remains very much an open question.
I do worry about the evidence of reprisal killings against Qaddafi loyalists and of human rights abuses by the NTC. At the same time, I recall the repressive conditions of pre-revolution Libya and Qaddafi's extreme violence over the course of the war. I am still haunted by the mass graves, by the journalist's body discovered in the desert with his fingers cut off, by the long years of systematic violence, repression, and abuse by a despotic and arbitrary regime. It is important for the new Libya to be consistently and systematically held to account - kudos to Human Rights Watch for staying on the issues. It is essential that Libya develop robust civil institutions and the rule of law on its road to a democratic transition. That is a major challenge and will be key to the long-term future of the new Libya. That it hasn't been achieved in a few weeks is not, however, a terrible surprise.
One final point: We, and they, are extremely fortunate that Libya's streets aren't currently being patrolled by tens of thousands of Western troops, which it would never seem prudent to withdraw. The decision to reject calls for U.S. troops to get involved directly was a wise one for many, many reasons.
The international intervention in Libya wasn't perfect, by any means. But the criticisms now flooding the public debate strike me as excessive. The intervention really was the success it appeared to be. It will only be complete, of course, if the new Libyan leadership manages to consolidate its authority, establishes effective institutions, and then oversees a real transition to democratic government. And now's the time for the international community to work with Libyans to help them achieve that goal.
Like all wars where black and white
Are not easily digested or distinguished. Like i am finding this article. They will say that lybia was attacked to defend something or someone, as always. But i believe that this is getting harder and harder to sell.
Like all wars where black and white
Are not easily digested or distinguished. Like i am finding this article. They will say that lybia was attacked to defend something or someone, as always. But i believe that this is getting harder and harder to sell.
Illegal acts, like the Libya war, is always bad. The consequences for Libya, in isolation, can go either way.
My best case in ten years would be a notional democracy with strong cleptocratic tendencies. The worst case is a EU "support" force that will have
to stay indefinitely to avoid having a Somalia on the Med.
Good luck Libya!
Isn't not too early to judge past actions
Lynch avoids many questions, such as "Was a NATO country threatened by Libya?" and "What national security interest of the U.S. was at stake?" and "How does launching 200 cruise missiles not count as 'hostilities'?" He doesn't even mention the theory that claims to justify the war, Responsibility to Protect. It has a few issues as well.
But the biggest blind spot Lynch has is the willy-nilly dismissal of the fact that the Libya War vastly exceeded the UN resolution within the first week. How can you say "the intervention in Libya should be recognized as a success and real accomplishment for the international community." when a few countries blatantly violated a clear Security Council resolution?
And talk about a false premise! "We, and they, are extremely fortunate that Libya's streets aren't currently being patrolled by tens of thousands of Western troops," Who in world proposed to send tens of thousands of Western troops into Libya? (Although get ready for the thousands of Gulf state troops awaiting deployment. Qatari for sure. )
As for the links in the first paragraph, most are reasoned arguments that mention bad and good things that happened in Libya, except for Hounshell, who is typically off his rocker.
It's better to say 'we have no idea how things will turn out'. In the best case scenario we'll have an uneasy imitation of democracy, a rise in unrest in the region from the fall of Qaddafi and easily available weapons, a relative normality in Libya and oil sales close to pre-war levels. In the worst case scenario we'll have a failed state, dictators with WMD's absolutely determined not to give them up, the world unwilling to consider any more interventions for a long time and the embarrassment of being associated with it. I can't say which one is more probable, I (and no one else either) can even say what is most probable. Right now no one knows.
I think that the problem with american public opinion is that they know that it wasnt their victory apart from supply logistics you forces did very little the only thing that can be said in their favour is that they didnt withdraw completely like other members of nato.
or cravenly refuse to get involved in the first place like germany to their eternal shame.
The french god bless those cheese eating surrender monkeys were the first to get stuck in and saved the city of bengazi from massacre.
The british with an awful lot of behind the lines jiggery pokery devised the plan that saw tripoli fall in 3 days.
You lot did virtually nothing and that is what you are going to get from the Libyans in the way of business virtually nothing.
Perhaps you should have a better shot at reforming the CIA this time, that might help in the future.
I think that the problem with american public opinion is that they know that it wasnt their victory apart from supply logistics you forces did very little the only thing that can be said in their favour is that they didnt withdraw completely like other members of nato.
or cravenly refuse to get involved in the first place like germany to their eternal shame.
The french god bless those cheese eating surrender monkeys were the first to get stuck in and saved the city of bengazi from massacre.
The british with an awful lot of behind the lines jiggery pokery devised the plan that saw tripoli fall in 3 days.
You lot did virtually nothing and that is what you are going to get from the Libyans in the way of business virtually nothing.
Perhaps you should have a better shot at reforming the CIA this time, that might help in the future.
"I'm not particularly surprised or upset by how Qaddafi died. The man did horrible things to Libyans for decades, unleashed a brutal war against his own people earlier this year, and after the fall of Tripoli was actively planning an insurgency."
I agree with this. I do not weep for that scumbag either. But would Lynch say the same thing had Palestinians and Lebanese ripped Ariel Sharon limb from limb for his vicious and nasty crimes against Arabs?
It depends on whether Sharon knew more dirty secrets?
MQ has been providing lots of intelligence to the US over the last decade. Imagine what he knew?
Are you even surprised that he was killed instead of being sent to the Hague? I'm only surprised that people are surprised at his fate.....
"The Syrian opposition controls no territory, can not confidently claim the support of a majority of the Syrian population, and until recently has refused to call for international intervention."
Well, they would control territory if Nato bombed Syria and gave them support.
Also, they do have the support of the majority. But the Lynch wants that majority suppressed because the new regime representing that majority could be worse for Israel.
Again comes the conspiracy theories of the anti-israel morons
"But the Lynch wants that majority suppressed because the new regime representing that majority could be worse for Israel."
Or more sensibly, that Libya spent most of its modern existence annoying the rest of the world and had no allies to call upon. Intervention in Libya had zero chance of bringing in anyone to the conflict on the side of Kadafy and little if any direct chance of affecting its immediate neighbors
Syria on the other hand is in close cooperation with Iran, still practically controls Lebanon by proxy, and has greater potential to cause mayhem to its neighbors.
Sometimes you have to pick your fights. Morality is one thing, practicality must be the next. Btw kudos to our European allies in NATO for running with this conflict (so we wouldn't have to).
The NTC will now permit polygamy. Kudos to NATO for permitting that march of progress.
Was polygamy banned there before?
Partition of Libya would be a good thing.
"It did not lead to the... the partition of Libya..."
Lynch sees the as yet geopolitical unity of Libya as a good thing, but the fact is Libya has, from the beginning, been a bogus nation created by Western imperialism. It would be a good thing if Libya fractured into different nations based on tribal loyalties. Same thing should happen to Afghanistan. Indeed, if US had followed such a policy since the invasion in 2001, things would be much better. But we pretended that a corrupt regime dominated by one ethnic group could effectively rule over all of Afghanistan. It should be allowed to go the way of Afghanistan. Isn't it a good thing that Croatians have Croatia and Serbians have Serbia(and Kosovans have Kosovo)?
Bosnia had the luxury of not having oil. Ethnic partition tends to be a dicey thing when you are talking about nations with large oil reserves. Those reserves don't tend to be evenly distributed along tribal lines. Nobody wants to be stuck with a "homeland" of desolate wasteland (like Kyrgistan).
One of the big reasons we don't have a partitioned Iraq is it would leave Sunnis in the oil-dry center of the nation stuck with a lot of sand and little else.
I think certain aspects of it were mishandled but when you compare it to similar incursions you have to give the Obama administration its due. Their measured approach worked. What's incredible (though not surprising) to this observer is how conservatives in our country are determined to give the administration next to no credit for their approach.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/think-tanked/post/obama-and-the-fall-of-libyas-qaddafi-no-brilliant-formula-for-success-says-elliott-abrams/2011/10/24/gIQAA7nfCM_blog.html
I agree that it was good for everyone to get rid of Qaddafi, he probably would have flattened Benghazi, and there's nothing wrong with the way he died. I also think the "why not, the opportunity presents itself" or the "low hanging fruit approach to dictator removal" is not a bad policy.
But it shouldn't be dressed up as somehow infinitely more internationally and legally "legitimate" than Iraq, which is the clear implication. The mandate to protect was stretched and fudged--and actually in a way much more threatening to the "international system" than Iraq. In Iraq the lie was that Saddam was a threat to other states, and thus it was legitimate to take him out. No lie like that could even be construed in the Libyan case.
Moreover, Obama gravely insulted Americans by lying to us, and claiming we weren't at war to keep Congress out of the process. Like Clinton, his lie didn't get any Americans killed, but it was despicable nonetheless. And of course it undermines our lecturing others on the rule of law, etc.
The ends were good, and may justify the means, but the means were dishonest.
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Marc Lynch is associate professor of political science and international affairs at George Washington University.
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